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What's Your Experience with Panhandling in Salem?

We've had lots of people bring up the issue of panhandling in the city. Tell us what your experience is here as we continue to address this issue.

 

In the wake of our Is Salem Safe? poll and Monday's column from William Legault, we've had quite a few people reach out to us regarding their concerns about aggressive panhandling.

We're opening space on Salem Patch so those with specific concerns about panhandling can discuss the issue.

What are your experiences with panhandling in Salem? Where is it the worst?

Let us know in the comments. We'll be following up with the city on this issue as we continue to gather your thoughts.

Related Topics: Quality Of Life and Tell us

sharon

6:54 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I absolutely hate going into walgreens in downtown! There is always someone outside asking for money. I have even been stopped by a gentleman in a wheelchair as I was almost ready to drive away from dunkin donuts downtown!

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Jared Robinson

9:20 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I go to the Walgreens on the corner of Boston St just to avoid that place.
I saw a lady screaming at a particularly aggressive panhandler the other day.

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Bill

9:38 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I refuse to go there - I feel bad for whoever owns/run that store.

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Cindy Johnson

11:38 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I also avoid that location and go to Boston St. I was at the Boston St. location yesterday when a woman in her 20s was kicking the pharmacy counter, swearing, and throwing change at the pharmacist who would not give her Adderall. I was with my kids. Guess I'll avoid that location, too.

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Evan Weinberg

12:41 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Lets take a look at the scorecard in Salem to try to explain why people are moving out in droves. Since the Patch asked-yes a sharp increase in panhandling-awful! Violent crime is way up-especially in the Point area, Salem police are arresting 20 violent criminals a day-look at the Machete attack in Peabody yesterday that happened in Salem last week. Plus just last week, the evil duo of Joan Lovely & Kim Driscoll rammed thru a 9 per cent increase in the water rate & a 4 percent increase on the sewer rate! July 2, when NO ONE was paying attention, these 2 pushed thru a 25 percent increase in parking fines, a $300 street parking fee with no guaranteed space. Dont Lovely & Driscoll understand these parking fees and fines hurt small business in this depression! Then last but no least, Joan Lovely's pride and joy THE INTERNET SALES TAX resolution. Salem is the ONLY city or town to pass such a ridiculous tax in a terrible economy. This is the record that Joan Lovely is running for state senate on? Hey Aubry-things are lousy in Salem! Vote NO on Joan Lovely!

Leo Jodoin

7:24 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Sharon
This guy in the wheelchair is nothing but a big pain in the BUTT! no pun intended, the Salem police had to be called to stop this guy, he approached me about three times i gave him zero, he also lives in a not so shabby place too, the last time he came out to me when i was about to leave i like you was in my truck,he pulled up real fast and asked he if i could help him, i told him that i that i knew that he had problems with the police and that i thought i too should call the police, well Sharon with that said i never saw a wheelchair move so fast in my life, i thought he had rockets on the back of the chair. If any one reading this is ever approached by him or any other one like him don't cave in they might be doing better than you just saying, it wont help the pan handling!

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Jared Robinson

9:22 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

is he in a power wheel chair or a manual one? I've been accosted a few times by the guy in the power chair who has a bad speech impediment (like he had a stroke). One time he blocked my car in until I acknowledged him...

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KlassySalem

11:51 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Jared, that's his MO. If you don't see him he'll actually come up and bang on your car window.

adrienne

7:30 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

The Walgreens on New Derby Street is really the WORST for panhandling & loitering!
NO, I don't have any money! NO, I don't have a cigarette for you! No, I am not paying for your bus fare!

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Daniel

7:45 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

The best rule to follow is if you want to help the homeless is to donate to a shelter or an organization that is known to help those in need. More often than not by giving directly to the homeless you only help feed whatever issue caused them to be homeless in the first place. My wife and I used to try to help until we started offering to buy food for the homeless rather than just giving them money. When someone requested money "for a cup of coffee" etc we'd offer to buy them the coffee or the sandwich etc. You wouldn't believe how often this approach incited anger in the person begging. After experiencing this type of behavior from the homeless we stopped giving money directly to the homeless. At this point the only time I end up giving money to the homeless is when they have a dog or other pet. I do this because I know the pet is not at fault and my main concern is to get some food into the pet.

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Jared Robinson

9:24 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

but the 'problem people' aren't allowed at those shelters because of their behaviour.

I was discussing this with someone the other day. Wouldn't it be great to walk around Salem and try to help everyone with a 'legit' request and a camera crew (or one person with a videocamera
If someone says "I need some money to eat", bring them to get something to eat...
If someone says they "need to get on the train" get them on the train and pay the fare for them.

I work in Boston, so I get to see some of the much more aggressive and crazy homeless people.

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Kate Arment

11:47 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

ssme here-I offer to buy food for them- but the get very hostile and swear at you

Will Morrison

9:10 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I believe the guy Leo is referring to has the bright orange flag on his motorized scooter (he must plug it in somewhere right?). He is aggressive and will often not allow you to get out of your car due to the way he positions his chair. He is frequently harassing my wife and others as they exit the YMCA and at intersections throughout the city. Some of the comments begs a peculiar question, why do most Walgreens attach these types of folks and most CVS's do not? Something must be done with this guy.

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Cindy Johnson

11:40 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

That's him. He preys on elderly women at the Y by blocking their cars with his wheelchair.

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PTUX

5:15 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I used to work for CVS on Essex St and I can promise you we dealt with panhandlers as a weekly occurance. The motorized wheelchair guy is particularly annoying as he will buy items, then return them the day after. Another one is skinny, scruffy and smells like booze all the time. Asks for money outside the laundry mat.

Bob Broderick

9:11 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Spare change? Money i don't need? Oh yeah i have plenty of that.
I also avoid walgreens on derby street because of the panhandlers but they are all over downtown. It's time for an ordinance.

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Jared Robinson

9:30 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Also, who has change/cash anymore? I NEVER have any on me EVER.

Why are the Homeless allowed to congregate like that in front of Walgreens? Doesn't Walgreens have the right to ask the police to remove people from their property? I assume standing in their vestibule is their property... I understand if they're at the bus stop (their urinal...), that's different.

Also, has anyone run into this very polite and gracious black fellow. He's in his late 20s or early 30s, reasonably well kept and says that his car ran out of gas. I'm always wondering if he was legitimately out of gas or if people have run into him. He was on Washington St the only time I saw him.
His demeanor and story were reasonably well thought out and potentially legitimate. Though after giving him a few bucks, a lady advised me to 'watch out for that guy'

I told her if all the homeless were that polite and nice and gracious about panhandling, they'd get more money from me.

That being said, looking back I wish I'd just offered to go get him some gas myself. See his story out.

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Bill

9:42 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

He is a regular, he once cornered me at Shetland Park and again on the river walk. Too bad that energy and winning smile isn't funneled towards a job. "Running out of gas" is his usual M.O.

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Jared Robinson

11:45 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

bugger. thanks for the heads up.

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john

11:48 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I see he has been charged with panhandling so I guess we have an ordinance?

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William Legault

12:29 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

He was't so polite and gracious with me in our one and only meeting.

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Bill

3:32 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Does anyone know if he is out on bail or locked up? I am guessing wandering around, but I don't know

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LindyLou

7:06 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Please do not give homeless any money. It only encourages pan handling. The Salem Shelter has 2 meals a day and gives people a place to sleep. No one is going hungry.

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Michael Meuse

7:41 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I was at Hess gas station on Derby street and I was approached by this man. he was very polite and communicated well so I fell for his trick. that is the last time I will fall for that

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Jay Valatka

12:23 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

I believe I was approached by that guy twice within just a couple of weeks. (Haven't seen him since that arrest.) Both times his car was out of gas somewhere. Never knew anyone to have so much trouble keeping their tank filled.

But, somehow I knew an empty gas tank was not his problem...

David Pelletier

9:34 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Salem = Mecca for bums. Thank you Reverend horndog Navale. Your legacy lives.

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Diane Wolf

10:22 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

There are a few 'regulars' that pan handle around Derby Square and Walgreens - because I work in that area they are the only ones I know and so I cannot speak to other parts of town.
The worst is the man, I guess his name is Leo, who has the orange flagged motorized wheelchair. He will wait for someone to park and will then trap them in their driver's seat by putting his chair against the car door - forcing a confrontation or donation. I've called the police on this man more than once.
There is another man in a regular wheelchair who pushes himself backwards with one foot. He harasses the customers at the Shanty by just wheeling by them very slowly asking each and every diner for money. He is always sent away by security staff, always.
There are also reoccurring themes, "I just need one more dollar for train fare" "I've lost my Charlie Card" or "I need a little money for gas to get home"
As a woman, I have a personal pet peeve against panhandlers who call me 'sir' - funny and sad I guess.
Truly, this is part of my daily life. Daily, I am in Klop Alley. Daily, I am either solicited for money OR harassed by the drunk homeless folks who congregate around the public bathroom on Artist's Row.
An ordinance against panhandling would be a wonderful start to solving these problems.

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Jared Robinson

10:39 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

does Leo have a slow speech pattern? if so, he's done the same thing to me when parking over near the Shanty

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john

11:36 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I don't know if his name is Leo but he does speak very slowly and lives in low income housing on Pope St and he is also the one who relieves himself in his chair. The guy with one foot will often stop traffic at Harbor and Lafayette and refuse to move until he gets money.He also gets people(everyday) to push him around the downtown area.

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Christine

11:49 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

For my previous job I had to drive to and park at various Salem locations throughout the day. Several times I was trapped in my car when this man blocked me from exiting.

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Irishjedi

6:48 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012

I have actually pushed his wheelchair up the hill to the Salem Heights on more than one occasion because his battery ran out and felt bad. Not anymore. Once he asked me for $5 in my drive and yelled at him because of what I've done for him. No more hand outs. Boston St. (near Walgreens) is getting pretty bad with the drunks and druggies. Something needs to be done and the apartments at the corner of Pope and Boston torn down. That is where many of them stay.

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Misty

10:02 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012

I just tried to comment on this but don't think it went through, so sorry if there's a double post!

The guy who pushes himself around on one foot sits on the corner of Harbor (where I live) and lafayette all the time. I'd say 90% of the times i've walked up my street since 2006 he has been here. He asks us for money by shrugging his shoulders and gesturing with his arms when we walk by. We're always amazed when we see that he got himself to another area of town. We call him the Harbor Street Toll!

Yesterday, he was in the middle (literally, in the middle) of harbor street drinking a 40 out of a paper bag while cars had to maneuver around him. I saw him pour some out for his homies when I was walking by. True story!

Hashmir

10:41 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Hashmirs guide to keeping sanity
1. Approach Walgreens
2. Make eye contact with bum
3. Demand change
4. Laugh while walking away
5. Enjoy newly purchased items
6. Post info on patch

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Cindy Johnson

11:48 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

It's not illegal to ask for money. All aggressive panhandling should be reported to the police. While we can't stop panhandlers, we can dry up their supply through public education initiatives and giving meters. These meters have been used successfully in other cities, such as Atlanta, which has seen a decrease in the number of panhandlers as a result. It tells visitors that panhandling does not help the homeless/needy and it is not accepted in our community. If they want to help the homeless/needy, they can deposit money in the meter and it will be donated to Lifebridge, for example. Put them in key panhandling areas of the city. They look like this: http://www.atlantadowntown.com/go/giving-meter-americasmart-

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Jared Robinson

11:52 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

those are neat. I support those.

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Cindy Johnson

12:46 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Giving meters are also used in Washington, San Francisco, Miami, Vancouver, Nashville, Cleveland, and Orlando. This might also be a way to repurpose aging meters.

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Rick Johnson

1:11 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

The giving meters and the related communication program in Atlanta really has worked wonders. Earlier this year, we visited downtown Atlanta and frequently took public transportation, but we were not approached by panhandlers. I commented to Cindy that I was surprised there were fewer panhandlers in Atlanta than Salem, and then I noticed a nearby giving meter. Signs to discourage giving to panhandlers were also present around bus and train stops.

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David Bowie

1:16 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

These are awesome! Re-use the old change meters Salem is taking out and paint them wild colors with fun facts and data on the display. I fully support these.

Justin Mattera

11:50 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Walgreens needs to have someone enforce the no loitering rule in front of there store. It's appalling. I feel bad for young women and men who need to walk into that store on a rainy day. People are blocking the entrance, EVERYONE is asking for money/cigarettes and people are downright rude when you ignore them. I have no problem telling someone to "stick it", however many people do. This leads to them "donating" money out of fear, this is completely unexceptable and needs to be addressed.

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Timothy Camire

2:15 am on Thursday, August 2, 2012

I work with that Walgreens. I can tel you the store has repeatedly attempted to slow or stop panhandling outside the store. The police know us well. There are issues of exactly where our property ends, and where they stand. Still, as has been brought up before, people just have to understand they can't give money to them. I'm more of a Democrat than anything, but even I understand there are many many programs to help those in need. Giving just keeps them coming around, and even a police visit won't stop them from trying again. It just is too easy to beg rather then try and really improve their situation. Please stop giving. The people asking WILL lie about their situation to get money consistently. Please don't blame the store for not doing more. We have shoplifters and other incidents inside the store to be more concerned about. Also, please don't think I speak for the company. I just am sharing some personal observations. In my experience, If you don't give they let you pass. If they don't let you pass, then you have a good reason to get on your own personal cell phone and call the police. If you don't carry a cell phone I'm sure the employees will be happy to help you make the call.

Lindsey Roman

11:53 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I have also been approached by the man in the wheelchair, the non-motorized one. He would ask me for money as I walked by him on Lafayette St., and when I would give him some change he would say he wanted more! I couldn't believe it. There is also a woman I've seen waiting outside the Bank of America on Washington St. and I have given her change for the bus before when I saw her on Lafayette St. I no longer give money to these people because I have come to realize what the rest of the commenters have, but I moved to Salem as a teenager from a small town in NH so I was none the wiser at first! Also, about the man in the wheelchair, my friend had to push him across Washington St. before because he sat in the middle and refused to move and she didn't want him to get hit! He didn't even say a word to her, she was really freaked out. After that, we would always see him around the city on our lunch break and would have to take the long way to avoid him because she was scared of him.

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matt buchanan

1:01 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

I don't understand, why did she move him?

Seth McCullough

11:58 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

@Jared. Take a look at the link below. This guy had been harassing me and friends and many more with the same question and same excuses. His stories had ranged from running out of gas to offering to sell me his EBT card. After the last exchange between him and I, I saw this article the very next morning. Thankfully this bad guy is off the streets!
http://salem.patch.com/articles/salem-man-arrested-for-trying-to-steal-purse-at-busy-intersection#comments_list

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James R. Willis Jr.

12:04 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Seth, not sure how, but he's been back over a week now. I actually warned a group of women he was bothering on Derby St. at 11 last Friday night by the garage. It was dark over there and he kept asking for "money to go see his father" and "just five bucks" even after they repeatedly said no.

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Jared Robinson

12:34 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

glad to know. Maybe the city as a whole needs to take a stand against the aggressive panhandlers.

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Cindy Johnson

12:38 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I've seen him panhandling outside of the library before. People don't expect to be asked for money outside the library. And, the library usually doesn't attract panhandlers, so he prob collected some cash that day. Asked to talk to me while I was with my kids and I said no. People need to find other ways to give if they aren't capable of saying no--it just hurts the city.

Diggs

12:03 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Donating out of fear? Whoever does that should focus on their own problems more. Panhandling happens everywhere. It's worse in big cities and far worse in more oppressed parts of the country. Be thankful for your blessings, focus on your own life, and avoid passing judgement as some of these comments have not done.

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Diane Wolf

8:00 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Seeing the same folks every day for the last six years (They come and go, but with many regulars) my instincts were to get them assistance. I first reached out to Lifebridge in an effort to help, then I reached out to the Salem Police Community Impact Unit in an effort to help. I suppose now I'm suffering from Compassion Fatigue, because it seems that the most egregious and aggressive in this group don't actually want any help.

I do what I can to help those with genuine need. I will not, however, give money to folks who pan handle for a living. (Tricking, or scaring, the naive out of spare change with a fabricated story is a job, not an act of desperation. In a way, it is a craft.) Call me jaded if you want, but I've been fooled too many times to fall for it any more.

I have, indeed, a "focus on your own life" that includes the quality of life for all residents of our fair city. If I can work to get these folks off the streets (be it into a facility that will help them or into a jail cell, it makes no matter to me.) then I am focusing on my community - which is something that makes us all richer.

So I say this to everyone, don't just judge - DO SOMETHING. Anything is better than apathy. Call the police, write to your counselor, volunteer your time at Lifebridge, donate food...anything. Salem will be all the better for your efforts.

Peace.

Seth McCullough

12:08 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

James, that is crazy. This gentleman has a dangerous past and people should be quite vigilant of him.

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Becky M.

12:13 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Is there a direct number to call and report people who harass you for money - or just the regular SPD number? We work in Boston and getting off the train in Salem usually ends in a couple of pan handlers. I had a younger guy - guessing to be in his mid 20s, follow me all the way to my car in the middle of the lot which made me really nervous. It's always the same people asking for money to "get on the train". We watched this same 20-something ask for money from numerous people, then walk right up the stairs and onto Washington Street. So much for the train ride fare he was begging for only moments ago...

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Laura D

4:46 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Becky, I don't believe there is any other number that you can call other than to directly call the police. However, I think it's important to remember that if anyone does or says anything that make you feel unsafe, it is perfectly ok to call the police or just dial 911.

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Cindy Johnson

5:03 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

978-744-1212 is the non-emergency request number. I'm plugging it into my cell phone.

Justin Mattera

12:26 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Diggs, apparently your not shy, that's a good thing. The thing is, many people are and it's those peoe who get frightened by overly aggressive people asking for money. Panhandling does happen everywhere, you are correct. It's the aggressive ones (and after reading ALL of these comments, it's clear the location I am talking about is aggressive) that I am talking about. Oh, thanks for the tip on my life.....

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chester suchecki

12:50 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

when panhandlers approach me for money or ciggaretts a just simply tell them to get a job. not only does that shut them up but they go away too.. walgreens isnot the only hot spot watch out when using the atms downtown and on derby st. the hess station is anothe place they mooch.

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Roberta Conners

1:18 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Anyone you see on a wheelchair gets a disability check, don't give them a dime! They always have large coffees from Starbucks and look pleasantly plump! Steve is the name of the guy who talks slow and says "can you help me? "My husband always yells "Steve quit beggin!" The BS needs to stop!

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Jared Robinson

1:22 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

thanks. that's the one. he does always start with 'CAN YOU HELP ME!" real loud.
I've fallen for it once as him potentially asking for REAL help (like directions)

Derek B

1:56 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Please don't forget about the pan handlers at the HESS on New Derby. They deserve as much credit as the Walgreens parasites.

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Native Son

2:04 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Let's be realistic people, the problem isn't going away too soon. Tell these folks NO! Should they block you, "I'm calling the police"! It works for me!

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Alex Hayward

3:09 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

The panhandling in salem is awful. Its not so much in the immediate downtown area as it is right off of that. At all Walgreens stores, I get harassed all the time "for a dolla" or a quarter. At the Depot, these people get aggressive and do NOT follow personal space boundaries. By Los Amigos market and uphill from the Wendys, theres a guy in a wheelchair who just holds out his hand and doesn't say anything. He's grabbed my clothes before to stop me. He also is nasty. He throws things, including Wendy's shakes and drinks, and swears at people if they don't stop or if they give him what change they do have. He's also gotten up out of his wheelchair and chased people short distances. This is a huge problem in salem.

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Justin Mattera

3:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

But hey, according to some people (some making comments and some that are not), this is not an issue and we should just "Be thankful for your blessings, focus on your own life, and avoid passing judgement as some of these comments have not done." This sounds like a sure fire way to get this HUGE issue rectified. I know the man in the wheelchair you are talking about, I used to live next to Strega........he is relentless! Once you touch me in any way at all, you have now crossed the line and I will 100% "pass judgement" on you.

Native Son

3:33 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Alex stop exaggerating! That person does not walk at all. That's a fact! I know him. Now let's be truthful here.

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Bryan Karsis

5:04 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

To be fair, there are at least three wheelchair-enabled panhandlers in the city; Steve in the powered chair who entraps people in their vehicles, the guy who scoots around by one foot and is often sitting in the middle of the road at the intersection of Harbor and Lafayette, and the guy who does in fact get up out of his wheelchair occasionally to beg for money. It could be that Alex had confused one for the other.

Living in South Salem, I can't help but be panhandled on my way downtown, as all of the routes lead right through the major hotspots (Lafayette Park, LoLa, South River Walk, Riley Plaza, Dodge Street, etc.), so I've come to expect that it will happen. Can't say I'm pleased about it, though. I do feel that a panhandling ordinance and the giving meters are two considerations the city need to have a serious look at.

Bill

3:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Att: Mayor Driscoll - we know you or your staff is reading this. Please address this, you have a problem. Maybe focus on this instead of the Halloween parade or another Segway tour opening

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ryan

4:40 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

@Bill, your comment was posted 48 mins ago, therefore her staff won't see until tomorrow morning. ;)

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Bill

8:41 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

LOL - Now there are 75 Comments - hard for them to ignore during the course of a tough 5 hour day.

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Bryan McGonigle

6:31 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I haven't seen many panhandlers but I did see a guy on a Segway zipping across the street yesterday.

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Bryan McGonigle

6:32 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

Does anyone know where the term "Pan Handler" comes from?

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ACG

6:39 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

From http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/panhandle

panhandling

(US) To beg for money, especially with a container in hand for receiving loose change, especially on the street, and particularly, by a bum.

john

6:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I guess puting your arm out resembles a pan handle,the hand being the pan to put the money in.

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Rachel Warner

6:37 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

the laundromat on Boston St. near Federal is also a hot spot for people wanting change for cigarettes.

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Judy Maker

7:18 pm on Tuesday, July 31, 2012

I've often seen the guy in the wheelchair on the road to the left of Walgreen's on Boston St. and there was another man who approached me at the entrance who grumbled something to me when I did not acknowledge him and then there is this woman when I went to the laundromat also on Boston St. who I witnessed asking every patron for 75 cents so that she could finish her laundry...funny thing was...there was no laundry, but that didn't seem to matter to her...recently I saw that she moved her location to Walgreen's and like others have said I will just go elsewhere rather than be approached by strangers who are lying and have the nerve to get angry when you simply say no...also as others have said, it's best to purchase the item they are asking for and If that doesn't make them happy, you know they want the money for alcohol and/or drugs which only adds to further problems for all.

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Jim Smith

12:45 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Eliminate police details and train these people to be safety/flag people at road construction sites ? Easy Fix, put them to work, give them a weeks pay and healthcare benefits. If we took all the unemployed and the state re-trained for needed positions, to fill in for trainable skills the state and private industry needs. This would be a win/win for Massachusetts, maybe the Governor and Obama can work out a Public Works project similar to the WPA of the past. Oh yeah, that would be too easy. Let's let the Fed print more money, give it to the banks for them to sit on and start up quantitative easing again, yeah, that works ?

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matt buchanan

1:22 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

One-foot-backwards guy at Lafayette and Harbor was one that I always felt a bit bad for until about three years ago, when I was walking towards downtown and he yelled, "give me a dollar!" in a very aggressive tone. Every time I see him I yell random demonstrative statements at him in both in Spanish and English, for example, "dareme un peso!", "Don't stand in traffic!", and "Si tu quieres dinero, aprender engles mejor" and "go @!0$% off".....sadly, I believe my humor may be lost on him.

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Craig Baskis

8:01 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

This may sound a bit crazy...but we as residents/taxpayers can peacefully organize and make the panhandlers feel as uncomfortable as the residents and tourists feel while in Salem. Why not make signs and literally stand next to the 'hot spots' in Salem. The signs could say, "Do not give these people money. If you would like to help people in need, please donate money to Lifebridge." and give the appropriate information for Lifebridge donations. (I think the meters are a fantastic idea) A group of us could literally follow folks around. We would be doing nothing illegal whatsoever. I wonder how long they would last? We can wait and work through our own gov't for an ordinance, but in the meantime we can also fight for our right to go to Walgreens/car/shanty without being accosted.

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ryan

8:10 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Mr. Baskis, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

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Jared Robinson

8:49 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Kind of like one of those 'circle of crap' signs like they have at the parks about not feeding the birds.
I should change the image in the middle to a hand with money in it and reword it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejbean82/4809874353/

Then we can post this near all the hot spots.

Amy Mckeehan

8:34 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Was downtown this bad with homeless and panhandlers before the shelter moved from Crombie Street to Margin? I honestly can't remember this many homeless hanging around downtown before then.... but I guess the economy has changed drastically as well. Some mornings, I actually lock the doors in my car as I drive thru downtown ... there are so many homeless hanging around after the shelter kicks them out for the day.. I can only imagine how visitors to our city feel.

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Bill

8:43 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

No one has mentioned the group of clearly drunk homeless who hang out at Pickering Wharf all day, along the dock. I can't believe the people who live there put up with it. Public drinking, occasional fighting and yelling.

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Justin Mattera

1:12 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

I have called, Vic Station has called and several other PW businesses have called. They really don't come around here anymore. If they do, they are removed as quickly as they sit down. It's up to the businesses to do something about it. Just like Walgreens should.

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john

1:19 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

The problem at the Wharf should be something that the condo owners should address in addition to local police.I think Rockett could easily afford to have security on that property.What do they do with the condo fees?Many of the buildings are rotting away.BTW put some trash barrells around the area.There was a guy there yesterday around noon drinking in the usual spot.

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Justin Mattera

1:26 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

I can only speak for myself. I have the only barrel located on the wharf. I empty it several times a day. Any issues with management, needs to be taken up with them. I simply run a business here. Feel free to call the police ANYTIME you see the "drinkers" at the wharf, they bring nothing good to my business.

Michael McNeil

8:49 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Funny how the topic of crime has been diverted to panhandlers.
I'll take a guy coming at me in a wheelchair over a guy coming at me with a Machette any day.

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john

10:12 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

The topic IS panhandling

Henry Talbot

9:22 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

FYI, The wonderful law makers and the courts have found it to be unconstitutional to have laws/ordinances against this type of activity. I have talked to the police concerning this issue and they are working on a remedy. I have been told that the two guys in the wheel chairs have been issued citations for loitering ordinance violations. They tell me that they have arrested the guys in front of Walgreens on New Derby Street several times for drinking in public. The police have been some what handcuffed by the law makers...

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Henry Talbot

12:04 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

I understand what the topic is!!!! Ordinances for panhandling have been deemed unconstitutional by our law makers!!!!

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William Legault

7:42 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Please specify which lawmakers and when, under what circumstances, and be sure to include the dissenting opinion.

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john

7:51 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Henry,I refer you to my earlier comment(in this thread) which shows a link(by another poster)that this person has been charged ,in Salem,for panhandling

Billie McGregor

9:52 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Benefit v. Cambridge, 424 Mass. 918 (1997).

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James R. Willis Jr.

11:03 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012

The Patch article cited above about Mr. Evans shows a correction now indicating that he was not in fact arrested for "panhandling", as the police cannot charge for that crime, but for the many other crimes he committed. Benefit v. Cambridge indeed, as Billie O'Connor found above, cites over 80 years of US Supreme Court cases to hold that "peaceful begging" is constitutionally protected. Drinking in public and trespassing to panhandle on private property are still arrestable offenses.

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