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Let's Break Ground on the New MBTA Station

The discussion has gone on long enough; the MBTA station project needs to move to the next step.

 


Discussion and input from private citizens concerning public works projects is good; it is an integral part of the process.

Over the last few years, many have weighed in on the plans to build a new station for the MBTA commuter rail at Washington and North streets. The opinions are many and varied.

Those who are a few years older than me are always sure to bring up memories of the old depot at what is now Riley Plaza. Their memories of that towering stone structure are almost always pleasant and entertaining.

My father often told the story of his father and his departure from that station for Fort Dix and Army boot camp. He would detail how my Memere (grandmother) had lined up all 11 of their children to say goodbye. As my father told the story, the military policemen who where there tried to get his father to expedite the farewell and a scuffle ensued. When all was said and done, his old man was put on the train with a broken leg alongside two injured MPs. My Dad was prone to exaggeration when speaking of his father, so I never knew quite what to make of this story.

I recall the next incarnation of a train depot in that area. It required a short descent down dark stairs onto a narrow platform where you would wait for your train. In hindsight, I do not remember it as a pleasant place. It was damp and generally quite dirty. It was not unusual to find some of the local ne'er-do-wells camping under the stairs. Some things never change.

I was overseas when they moved the station to its current location. My only memory of that process was from the local newspaper which I usually got 10 to 12 days late. The one thing I recall from that time was a survey done of the old location that detailed financial and physical difficulties presented in that location. Some of the infrastructure that ran underneath the old station would create design and construction obstacles.

Any public works project will bring with it lively and often passionate discussion. The Ruane Courthouse is a prime example. Discussion and debate is good. Those in power need to hear from those who put them there.

The new garage and depot are no exception. Many have weighed in and will continue to do so. Some who do are just concerned citizens who want to be heard. Others are self-proclaimed experts who feel their thoughts and ideas are superior. There are also those who are sure to stand and opine at every available opportunity whenever ground is scheduled to be broken. They will bring maps and plans with them as they stand up at public meetings to use 10 of the two minute allotted for public comment.

The decision to waive further environmental study at the site was the right one. We all know that the North River will be impacted during the construction. Will that impact be any worse than what that waterway endured so many years ago? The river has been recovering from the days when it ran a different color week to week courtesy of the area's many tanneries. It will endure and recover from whatever stress is created by this project.

The greatest impact may be on the gentlemen who camp between the tracks and the river throughout the spring, summer and fall. They may have to impose on their brethren who squat at the Greenlawn Cemetery duck pond for the duration.

Let's break ground and get this thing built.

Related Topics: A Voice in Salem, MBTA, and Quality Of Life

John Dumas

7:09 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

There must be an safe and secure place where at risk passengers can wait to be picked up. Especially the hour after the last train.

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Mike Lash

10:05 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

It may come as a suprise that ground has been broken for the new garage over and over as they test soil and rock conditions and have done some preliminary site excavation. Since the increase in the budget the architects are scrambling to update the peramiters of the design and new amenities added.
The speed of the project is on track and in this case safety should be an issue well considered. The homeless folks are a major problem for the area and unfortunately does not fall under the charter of the MBTA.
In this case Bill I think your just setting yourself up for more well written opinions about the disasters and inconviniances that will plague the station area as construction begins. Topics include, traffic woes, new signal woes, pedestrian woes, less parking woes, construction noise woes, why isn't it ready woes, And even environmental woes.
As you remember the old stations, the commuter trains have changed as well as the ridership. Long gone are the days of waving to your loved ones to say goodby. The target for the safest most expedient method of moving people from point A to point C has little to do with family or even courtesy.
If environmental reports were undertaken as those tanneries were built so long ago, the water might not have flowed in its exotic multicolored hues and the creatures within may have not died. Just because the cit raped the local waters in the past does not give us the right to do it again because it's already spoiled.

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William Legault

11:04 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

There is no surprise here about the testing being conducted Mike. I was there on two separate occasions to take photographs. Those diggings to not constitute the beginning of actual construction so they would not be considered an official groundbreaking.

Traffic, signal, pedestrian, parking and construction noise issues are all a part of living in an urban community. Whether or not this project will ease or increase such problems remains to be seen.

The waters of the North River were destroyed by multiple communities and business entities over the years. There has been a slow recovery over the last decade or two and that recovery will continue. If you want to see the more serious long term problem for that waterway I suggest you look to the north side because when this garage and station are completed that problem area will remain the same.

David Moisan

10:22 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

I am beyond angry at my councilor, Mike Sosnowski. He wanted "more study" for handicapped access. I sit on the Commission on Disabilities (as most know), and in my long association there, I have never known us to sit on a project because we did not approve.

In fact, if anything, I hate delays. We have more than enough agenda items throughout the year--we don't need to sit on something until we feel like dealing with it. We are never happier than when a business asks our advice and goes through the long permitting process with success at the end, for them and for Salem.

Mike was our council liaision for many years.

He knows this.

He knows this.

He has no right to use the Commission as a stalking horse for his interests. Especially when a new station will benefit people with disabilities.

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KlassySalem

1:06 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

You'll have to excuse Mike. He's told people he's running for mayor. He needs to get his name mentioned as much as possible.

Bill

10:48 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

Good example of why we are at zero economic and job growth and the Stimulus failed. It is a monumental task to get anything done and built today. This and the Beverly garage have been talked about for years and progress moves at a snails pace due to layers of laws, special interests, boards, impact studies, hearings..etc. Painful.

In Beverly there is a guy looking to spend millions of his own money to build the Black Cow - will create dozens of new jobs. Still can't break ground. Nothing ever gets done. A sad testament to modern government. They keep spending money and we have less and less to show for it.

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christine

10:59 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

Yah so the construction company will now do everything possible to save a buck and most likely undo the cleanup that has already been done on the otherside of the river which also was done halfass. I mean all the fill that was put there is loaded with rocks and pebbles and never will see grass grow. The high tide will wash everything from the train side right on over to the park side. I think it is disgusting that a citizen is only allowed to speak for 2 min.

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cooch@comcast.net

11:19 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

As an employed person who's job it is to got to court 3-4 times per week, my understanding was that the parking garage was to be built FIRST so as to provide the much needed parking for people who work through and for the courts . It is not rightas well as jurors and others. The fact that that did not happen has caused THOUSANDS of dollars in revenue to the city via parking tickets. It is simply wrong. Get that garage up and moving!

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Mike Lash

1:12 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Building a municipal building in Salem has been full of "red tape" since 1639.
Hoop jumping has remained the same ever since. Where is your sence of historical context?
The problems on the North side of the river are obvious, but not on the table at this time.
Change what you can. Complain as you must. But don't reposition the facts.
If the City can do this right the first time we won't have to do it again.
If traffic, pedestrian and construction noise are yet to be seen then I'm the best fortune teller in Salem, because the issues are coming and I for one would rather see a prepared City/community than a whitewashed projection of reality.

As to the water is polluted already so who cares argument. That's just lazy.

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William Legault

3:01 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

No one said there would be no issues resulting from the construction. The issues, exactly what they are, and how much impact will become evident after completion. I will leave the sooth saying to others.

Where did anyone in this thread say "who cares".

Mike Lash

4:03 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

You did. In your ninth paragraph of the essay and the last paragraph in your rebuttal.

Come on Bill, deflection, redirection and unproven opinion make this easy issue, breaking ground now or later, a waste of time.

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William Legault

5:13 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Mike, I never said I didn't care. Putting words in another's mouth in order to make your own point a poor and dare I say, lazy way to conduct a discussion.

I would also like to add that all opinion is unproven Mike. That would be why we call them opinions and not facts.

This column is here in an attempt to create weekly conversation on issues both and important and on occasion not so important. Thanks for reading and participating.

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john

5:35 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Too many politicians,not enough workers.That seems to be what has become of the stimulas package.

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Mike Lash

6:38 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Bill, you are totally correct. I was lazy. Let's meet at midnight with shovels and get this garage started. If the Mayor comes its defiantly a photo opp.
If this isn't news the why does the Patch feature it as the top news story today? Don't they have an opinions page?

Btw, I think it's the other Mike that's running for Mayor.

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Aubry Bracco

6:54 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Hi Mike, Bil's column runs every Monday in the top spot. We also do the same for some blog posts, which are opinions. They, like Bil's column, are marked as such. As you've probably noticed, news is only a part of what we do. We are not a newspaper. We are a site that has news, but community contributions are just as important. I think of Patch more as a dynamic, digital content ecosystem for all things Salem. Thanks for reading.

William Legault

6:40 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Shovels at midnight. You're on. I'll bring the camera and some beer.

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Jack Carver

6:55 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

I for one was looking forward to an excavation of the old train round about, I remember my History teacher at the Pickering school telling us in class one day how when they where building the over pass they discovered an Indian village and burial site, He also mentioned the Anti Air craft guns on the roof of the Sheridan school and the German U- boat sunk off the Willows with a cargo of counterfeit US Dollars. He was One of my favorite teachers.

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Mike Lash

12:36 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Bill, ground has been broken. And you owe me a beer.

Aubrey, it's so confusing seeing opinions under the news heading. Also under the opinions heading.

All in good fun.

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christine

9:52 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012

The people did not cause years of delay on any project it is the government who decides when the projects can be funded. The people only want good investment and the best project for the citizens who live look and deal with it everyday.

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