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Did Salem Council Embarrass Itself?

Did the group's inability to replace Joan Lovely at a marathon City Council meeting Thursday night reflect poorly on the council?

 

 

If you were one of the Salem residents that tuned in to the SATV-feed of Thursday night's City Council meeting, you may have thought it was stuck on a continual loop.

It wasn't.

The 10-member council met until 2:30 a.m. and voted 300 times trying to appoint a successor to now state Sen. Joan Lovely, who until recently was president of the council. She resigned to move to the Senate, leaving a fractured council seemingly incapable of choosing her replacement.

The council was deadlocked, five to five, between two candidates Steven Pinto and Lucy Corchado throughout the night. At 2:30 a.m., they voted seven to three to recess until Tuesday at 7 p.m. to try again to select the 11th member of the council.

So, we have to ask: did city Salem city council members embarrass themselves Thursday night? Did you expect that the councilors would have found a way to reach some kind of compromise?

Or is the real problem with the procedure for picking a replacement? Maybe the councilors made the best of an absurd situation by remaining loyal to their candidates?

How would you settle the deadlock? Rock, paper, scissors? A coin flip?

Share your opinion with your neighbors in the comments section below.

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Danielle

11:09 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Ridiculous and embarrassing, to the entire city and constituents that they are SUPPOSED TO SERVE. They are not supposed to serve their own purposes with side deals, backroom negotiations, wreaking of political loyalties and alliances, all of which were evident and on display last night. They knew their votes weeks ago, the whole thing was not suprising and a total farce. They should be ashamed.

The spot should go to the voters choice of the next highest vote counts, Mr. Barcikowski. This also should be how all appointments are handled in the future, in my opinion.

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Maggi Smith-Dalton

11:13 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Oh for heaven's sake just pick Lucy. Enough with the all-(old)-white-males. Geesh. Frankly, I'd prefer to see the Council more accurately reflect the entire populace. What about half female, and reps from different ethnic groups in town? I've lived here ten years, and all I see is the continuation of old, entrenched cliques running everything, with just a handful of people with their fingers in EVERY pot and strings they pull on EVERY group and issue. It's time to ditch that model. OVERtime.

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Jared Robinson

4:29 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Gender is not a race... enough with the same comment over and over...

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Michael McNeil

4:52 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

So Jared you are ok with racism and sexism?

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Jared Robinson

4:55 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I don't need you to spam "that's racist" over and over...

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Michael McNeil

4:59 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Jarod please encourage folks not to post racist comments...Thanks

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Christian Day

4:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

There are a number of great candidates, including Lucy, but if they pick her, I would hope it's because they think she's as great as she is and not because she's a woman or Latino. I remember when being a Witch worked against me a little when I first tried to insert myself into the tourism community here and they finally welcomed me on my skill at marketing, not my lifestyle choices. Looking back, I think I might have been insulted if they just said, "you're gay. You're a Warlock. You're in."

Christopher Sicuranza

11:13 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

I threw my name into the mix to try to speak up for a more youthful demographic. Sadly, the powers that be are only interested in preserving known commodities and couldn't discuss any compromise. This is precisely why I wanted to give a fresh perspective to the Council, but it is unlikely I would be afforded the opportunity. The community will rally behind new faces come fall with this deadlock hanging over heads. Very disappointed by last night.

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Marsha Finkelstein

3:43 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I really liked your remarks very much. They were compelling and, very impressive. I would encourage you to run in the At-Large election. I didn't get to introduce myself, but you probably know me. I'm around...

Marsha

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Diane H

5:10 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Wish you luck and sorry you aren't one of the two or the only one chosen! I would certainly be in your court if I were on the council! Keep at it and don't give up...you would be a breath of fresh air!

Maggi Smith-Dalton

11:18 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

It's not just a matter of "youthful" versus "old," Chris. It's really about a small cohort of people who, either in Council or in the various orgs. in town, running everything regardless of any new voices of any kind getting heard. It's really tiresome, and eventually people of quality simply stop trying to swim upstream all the time. I know I have. The investment of emotion and talent simply stops being worth it.

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Marsha Finkelstein

3:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Well said Maggi. I was there for a good chunk of time before I was too pooped and had to go home. It was a travesty and Councilor Josh Turiel was so on point when he asked how long the Council was going to embarrass itself. I am so glad to have that voice of reason on the council. Josh Turiel RULES!

drew from salem

11:46 am on Friday, January 4, 2013

Of course they did. The same people who refused to put the CPA on the ballot because the voters said no to it 5 years previous are now pushing for an interim candidate who the voters said no to last election. I may not agree with everything individual councilors believe, but I'd expect them to at least not roll over on their stated beliefs about the will of the voters in favor of some backroom deal.

I hope the voters of Salem remember just what Sargent, Sosnowski, Siegel, Ryan, and Prevey think of them.

And if you think it was embarrassing to go through 300 ballots worth of gridlock, just imagine want a return to Pinto would mean - more yelling, stubbornness, and childish behavior on the council.

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Shari Cornett

12:05 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Absolutely! It is those five - can't wait to get rid of them!

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john

1:14 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Childish like when O'keefe was going to move Furey to another seat?

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Jared Robinson

4:30 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

someone will need to run AGAINST them. Sosnowski went unopposed.
I voted Big Metal Box last time

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David Kitzmiller

5:22 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Jared, my name is David Kitzmiller, and after watching that baldfaced power grab by Pinto's gang of 5, I have decided to run against Sosnowski in Ward 2 this November. I believe the Salem News is printing a letter from me in Tuesday's edition, which will clearly explain my take on what happened last Thursday night, and how we can avoid such disgraceful behavior in the future. I hope you read the letter, and I would appreciate your vote when the time comes.

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Jared Robinson

5:41 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

well, be sure to join the Ward 2 facebook page. Sosnowski has not yet despite repeated requests that he join and contribute

https://www.facebook.com/salemward2

Shari Cornett

12:04 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Ridiculous! This council drives me crazy!!!

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Leese

12:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The main issue here isn't about the candidates themselves, or about new blood vs. old, male vs. female, voted out vs. almost voted in, or CPA opposition or support - it is about control of the Council by the Mayor, so she can continue Salem on its path toward becoming a bedroom community like Lynn, increasing the amount residents, affordable housing, and rental property. The Mayor controls city planning, which green lights development. As reported in the local media, the Council has sought to limit the city planning's powers to prevent them from allowing developers to exceed city restrictions on population density and zoning use. Those restrictions exist to ensure traffic, crime, character of the city, and residential quality of life are not adversely affected by development. If the Mayor gains control of the Council, you can expect your quality of life to be negatively impacted.

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Bill

1:20 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Perfectly said. It should not be about demographics but about who can move the city forward with a positive vision.

Johnna White

12:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

This council needs to be entirely replaced! They have stood in the way of progress, played the "good old boy" game with city issues and can't get things done when needed. Ridiculous!

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Jared Robinson

4:31 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

so, vote them all out come fall... and vote in another mayor.
I think the problem is most run unopposed.

medications

1:06 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The entire city is full of unstable whack jobs....look at the staff at library ....did you know they talk to them selves...apparently about you when walking by.....it time to reduce the liquor stores in salem

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john

1:17 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

If the council can't do it then it should default to the highest vote getter in the last election,It's that simple and should be that way to start with.

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Henry Talbot

1:40 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

They should be embarrassed, the entire City of Salem should be embarrassed. I can not believe there are fiver City Councilors that are supporting Mr. Pinto. The same former City Councilor that was removed from office via the popular vote. I can not believe they are going to have to spend more time debating this issue. Clearly there has to be some diversity on the council, Lucy is the most reasonable choice. At least she was able to give an honest answer last night when she was asked if she would seek reelection after the completion of her term. Mr. Pinto danced his way around that answer as he did at most council meetings..

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john

2:07 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The promise not to run was all part of the deal for Carr and Turiel to support her. There is NOTHING to stop her from changing her mind and running anyway.

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Jared Robinson

4:33 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I wouldn't vote for her if she ran... and if I were a competitor, I'd rerun her saying that all the time.

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Marsha Finkelstein

5:00 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I know I was there. A guy that stood at the podium and when asked if he was going to run for relected said that he hadn't talked to his family about it. What? If you've known you're gonna try to fill the vacancy and people are buzzing about whether or not the person appointed should agree no to run for reelection because it is an unfair advantage, then it makes sense that you would have talked to your family about it. Either he is an idiot for not talking about it with his family or he's just plain LYING. Either way, not a councilor I want back. The voters have spoken. If he wants to run the fall, why doesn't he just run then? Or, maybe, he just wants a free ride? I don't know.

Jes

2:12 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Yes, defaulting to the highest vote getter in the last election makes a lot more sense. It would be the voice of Salem's citizens, not a mere 5 or 6 networking buddies. These positions rarely open up, so why all this nonsense?

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Mike Blatty

2:55 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Should have come down to heads or tails after the 10th ballot deadlocked.
We are not choosing the President of the United States here.
Either that or, better still, go with William L.
I can't believe these 10 councilors were willing to give up so many hours of
late night television for this nonsense!

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Jared Robinson

4:28 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

they'd have to go find an official coil for that. it'd take months to precure it.

Mike Blatty

3:49 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Is it too late to nominate Honey Boo-Boo to fill the vacancy?

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Marsha Finkelstein

5:02 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

It's never too late for some Honey Boo-Boo! LOL!

Jared Robinson

4:27 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I don't understand what happened after the 10th vote deadlocked? Why didn't they adjourn at that point and come up with another plan?
Go secret ballot.

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Becky Christie

4:32 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

It is embarassing but a clear microcosm of the governmental impotency that is running the country into the ground. The voters said no to Mr. Pinto so why is he even on the list? He may be a perfectly good candidate BUT the voters said no. When will politics return to "representation by the people, for the people. and of the people." Hold a special election and let voters pick the new Councilor--it wouldn't take 200 elections for us to make a choice.

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Marsha Finkelstein

5:03 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Tell me about it Becky. This meeting was a disgrace and I was ashamed of our local government because of it.

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windpower

6:29 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Becky If you pay attention to Salem politics you would know how, and why Mr Pinto lost his post .
I would say that is WHY we are at a deadlock
Take Salem back !

Barney R

4:38 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Mayor Kimmy looks the worst in all of this. She runs the city like a dictatorship and has poor results (schools, streets, parks, taxes).

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windpower

8:33 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Barney ,you are correct .
. Salem also looks bad . This issue will not be resolved . Tuesday night the vote will deadlock again, secret ballot or not .
WHY you ask ?
The mayor has dictated to the city on to many issues , tell me about one of her plans that has worked ? She needs a majority this term to pass anything . And it looks like she has polarized the council .
Why did Mr . Pinto did not get reelected ? His refusal to allow her to speak {rightfully so by RULE} resulted in a centrally run, anti Pinto campaign supported by the media .
The five horseman will stand their ground not so much in support of Mr. Pinto but to take back the city for Salem .
PS Respect the office holders please. I know I respect then for their service and time . I may not agree with some, but I do respect them .

Marsha Finkelstein

4:45 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

The idea of getting creative got squashed pretty quickly. It is apparent that something needs to change and that change needs to occur as a change to the Charter itself. So, this never, ever happens again. I too am liking the idea of the highest vote getter in the last election automatically getting the appointment. That makes sense and it gives the voters a voice. Other cities/towns do that, why not Salem?

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chester suchecki

5:08 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

good ole boy politics marsha and the qween mayor says so

Ellen kozik

5:42 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Pinto had his turn and was voted OUT by the majority..i don't see the problem..seems like the only thing they're good for is giving themselves raises..embarrassed, oh ya

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David Pelletier

8:55 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

Furey should only get half a vote.

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chester suchecki

9:21 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

fury should have been voted out of office years ago

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Rich Felton

9:39 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Furey is a joke.He has rubber stamped everything Mayor Driscoll wants.In fact, I can't recall him voting against any mayor he has been in council under.Not even the methadone clinic the mayor tried stuffing down our throats.

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KlassySalem

11:20 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

The methadone clinic the mayor tried stuffing down our throats?

Ridiculous. All credibility lost.

Josie Wales

9:16 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

All you people should be thinking of Football and if the Patriots will be there. Just Saying.

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chester suchecki

9:20 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

patriots have a first round bye this week bob

Edward

8:53 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

The respect I had for those five, went right out the window Tuesday evening.

Sargent and Siegel will not be getting my votes in the upcoming election. Pinto was soundly rejected by the voters in the last election and there was a reason why he lost. For the council to try to put ANYONE back on the council, UNELECTED, who was rejected by the voters, is a slap in the face to the electorate and it made me feel that my votes didn't even matter.

The City Charter needs to be changed to allow for a direct election by the voters for ANY vacancy on the City Council, individual ward and at-large. If the current council will not do that, then the voters of Salem need to elect decent people, who will.

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Edward

11:50 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Today's Salem News - page 2, article heading "Next", quoted Pinto as saying: "...I think it's a council divided, and for good reason - people don't want to be dictated to."

It certainly sounds like we, the voters, ARE in fact, being dictated to - by virtue of five councilors wanting to put an individual back on the council, after that same person was soundly REJECTED by we, the voters.

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john

12:37 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

How many votes did Lucy get in the last election? Your comment makes little sense. He was not soundly rejected,he lost a race but got a considerable number of votes.

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Chris

12:55 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

John is correct, Pinto received only 59 votes less than Barcikowski, he was a very close second runner-up.

http://www.salem.com/Pages/SalemMA_Clerk/2011election.pdf

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Edward

6:23 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

John - Lucy did not run in the last election. Her last term on the council expired at the end of 2007 and she did not seek re-election.

Lucy, unlike Pinto, was not rejected by the voters.

Yes, Pinto WAS soundly rejected by the voters. There are FOUR at-large seats, Pinto came in SIXTH, regardless of the number of votes received.

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Leese

1:50 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Pinto's point is that people don't want to be dictated to by the Mayor and administration - which is what has been happening for some time. This is why you're seeing more affordable and low-income housing development, as the administration is pushing to increase its residential population by 6k in order to get more government funding - funding which Salem will have to rely on going forward, to pay for services for these new 6k low-to-moderate income residents. That's pretty scary, given Salem already has one of the highest amounts of affordable and low-income housing options in the immediate 13-town area. Perhaps you don't care for Pinto, or the five Councilors voting in favor of putting him back on the Council - I do respect your opinion - but it's these very same Councilors that don't want Salem to become more Lynn-like, which it likely will do if the At-Large seat is filled by someone the Mayor can control. Do you really want to live in Lynn? I don't.

Carolyn Costain

1:16 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

There are more importaint things in this world than who takes a seat in Salem! Does anyone else keep up with world earthquakes. less than an hour ago an earthquake struck , a 7.5 94km W of Craig, Alaska, all the tsunami warning buoys are bouncing from Alaska to California to Hawaii. Who cares who's in office in Salem when there are more exciting things going on in the world!

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windpower

4:01 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Carolyn ;
Thanks for your concern for humanity BUT
get your facts right . The quake was last night and all warnings are called off ,
Now How did Pinto lose ?
Ed WOLFE

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Carolyn Costain

6:06 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Yes' windpower your right about the time! It would have been nice to read about quake in the news rather than about quacks at city hall!

john

2:15 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

As for the Mayor and her faithful followers,today I see Jason Silva is leaving and last week we learned Viscay is also leaving. Those on the council who are opposed to most of what the Mayor has done are now seeing her own administration moving on and they should remain committed to changing the direction this city has been going.

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drunkstaff

2:32 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Not as funny as city workers trying to enter email accounts.. and hiring nieghbors to sift through mail.. I don't care time to sing

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john

2:38 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

So sing! So far you have said nothing that means anything. Lets hear the rest of the song.

drunkstaff

2:58 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

Only for Washington.. . .its payday

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john

3:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

I guess your name explains what your trying to say.

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Josie Wales

9:14 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

With all this jibberjabbing going on here, the one thing you all have to admit is we have the best looking Mayor in the state. Just saying.

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